As I speak (or write) Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, is at Mobile World Congress 2010 showing off the new Windows Phone 7.
It will start shipping later this year, which got me thinking.
I know that it does not support legacy apps and so Basic4ppc won't work.
Will there be a version of Basic4ppc with support for the new WinMo 7.
I'm planning on getting it as soon as possible so it would be cool now that Windows Mobile is a dead platform.
Just speculating...
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I know that it does not support legacy apps and so Basic4ppc won't work.
I don't believe that Microsoft will abandon all that has gone before. I've found this comment about Compact Framework support
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There are two wersions of WM7: one for Zune Phone (the one without .NET support and with Marketplace app installation) and the other one for comercial licences (the ones we know, with everything onboard - Business Edition).
A version of WPF may be included but I can't believe that Windows Forms will not be supported. I guess the technical details will come out later, but for now I am not worried.
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"At the end of the day, we all understand that in the business of info tech, software and creativity, and the innovation of developers is important. We build a new foundation with a rich set of development tools which we'll discuss at MIX next month."
As far as I know MIX is only for web developing.
One might suspect that Microsoft is taking the integrated web environment one step futher by only allowing web-based apps.
This is pretty much what Google tried with their Chrome OS (and they failed).
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As I speak (or write) Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, is at Mobile World Congress 2010 showing off the new Windows Phone 7.
It will start shipping later this year, which got me thinking.
I know that it does not support legacy apps and so Basic4ppc won't work.
Will there be a version of Basic4ppc with support for the new WinMo 7.
I'm planning on getting it as soon as possible so it would be cool now that Windows Mobile is a dead platform.
Just speculating...
I found it interesting that they placed an emphasis on PC, TV, and mobile. Aside from a SDK for their multimedia center - what else did they do to encourage development? I wanted to see an Express edition that supported MCE.
I hope that they provide some inexpensive or free tools to encourage mobile development. Or at least get some specs to Erel so we can get a B4PPC upgrade and start coding before W7 phones ship.
"All MIX10 attendees will receive access to the Windows Phone 7 Series development tools and have access to a dedicated track on the Windows Phone 7 Series platform that runs throughout the event."
Erel, get that reservation and pack your bags and off you go to MIX10
Seriously, perhaps the rest of us will be able to get the SDK shortly after MIX10.
On a sidenote, it seems like the DTK for Windows Mobile 6.5.3 has finally been released here:
Unless you can can turn off or get behind all the eye-candy rubbish and do real things I see that I am going to hate this phone. I don't do photos on a phone, I don't watch videos or listen to music, I don't play games and I don't participate in social networking of any sort. I hate dumbed-down "finger-friendly" interfaces and I loath with a passion flashy animations that just waste time when I want to navigate somewhere. Unlike Windows Mobile this is obviously squarely aimed at the CONsumer and not the PROsumer like me. However Stebe Ballmer did say "We will continue to invest in Windows Mobile 6.5 but Windows Phone 7 is a new generation." so maybe we will end up with Phone 7 for the plebs and Phone 6.5 for business and geeks. I read somewhere that there are still about 30 new WM6.5 phones yet to be launched and we won't see a Windows 7 phone till November (if then!).
There are many scare-mongering rumours about lack of multi-tasking and not being able to load your own apps that might or might not be true - we won't know until after MIX10 and maybe not the full technical picture even then.
Like everyone else I have been Googling away to find any scrap of information that seems reliable and the believable consensus seems to be that a version of Silverlight will be the execution environment for applications. This is bad in that it will probably lock out access to the actual OS, so no more P/Invokes to the Win32 API for missing functionality. However bear in mind that Silverlight, stripped of hype, is essentially the Compact Framework running in a sandbox with WPF instead of Windows Forms for the GUI and will most likely be compilable by the C# 4.0 (and VB) compiler coming in VS2010. Silverlight 3 loosened the sandbox limitations and Silverlight 4 loosens them further so Silverlight is getting very close to being a viable replacement for the Compact Framework on which it was originally based. Microsoft is not stupid and knows it must lever its' existing developer base onto the new platform without too much pain so basing development on a version of Silverlight 4 and VS2010 would seem a good way of doing this. We will know after MIX10.
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I don't do photos on a phone, I don't watch videos or listen to music, I don't play games and I don't participate in social networking of any sort. I hate dumbed-down "finger-friendly" interfaces and I loath with a passion flashy animations.
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However Steve Ballmer did say "We will continue to invest in Windows Mobile 6.5 but Windows Phone 7 is a new generation." so maybe we will end up with Phone 7 for the plebs and Phone 6.5 for business and geeks.
They just said that to keep the phones selling until they release Windows Phone 7.
Good old HTC will probably make some more WinMo phones, but there will be no future versions of the OS.
I mean, Windows Mobile 7 running beside Windows Phone 7 is bound to cause confusion.
Most developers (that aren't already developing for Android or the iPhone) will probably move onto Windows Phone, causing a greater lack of developers for Windows Mobile.
The geeks of today are all about "finger-friendlyness" and "flashy animations".
In this modern world of technology it's hard to tell who is a geek and who just happens to buy a new phone (or some kind of electronic device).
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Like everyone else I have been Googling away to find any scrap of information that seems reliable and the believable consensus seems to be that a version of Silverlight will be the execution environment for applications. This is bad in that it will probably lock out access to the actual OS, so no more P/Invokes to the Win32 API for missing functionality. However bear in mind that Silverlight, stripped of hype, is essentially the Compact Framework running in a sandbox with WPF instead of Windows Forms for the GUI and will most likely be compilable by the C# 4.0 (and VB) compiler coming in VS2010. Silverlight 3 loosened the sandbox limitations and Silverlight 4 loosens them further so Silverlight is getting very close to being a viable replacement for the Compact Framework on which it was originally based. Microsoft is not stupid and knows it must lever its' existing developer base onto the new platform without too much pain so basing development on a version of Silverlight 4 and VS2010 would seem a good way of doing this.
Very interesting stuff.
I never really considered Silverlight as any kind of platform.
More like Microsofts equivalent to Flash that never really took off.
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They just said that to keep the phones selling until they release Windows Phone 7.
Don't forget there is a fairly large and very lucrative industrial/business sector, especially in the US, that has a large investment in custom Windows Mobile based corporate systems that Microsoft will not want to entirely alienate as they are also a huge source of revenue for Windows desktop and Office. The iPAQ 210/214 was aimed directly at this market as an "Enterprise" device. Industrial/military systems is where I come from and what I was/am interested in.
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there will be no future versions of the OS.
That's probably true, but there is promised support for another 5 years for WM6.5.
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I never really considered Silverlight as any kind of platform. More like Microsofts equivalent to Flash that never really took off.
XNA, the Xbox360 and desktop games platform, and Silverlight, the Web platform, both have their own runtimes based on the Compact Framework CLR. I don't know about how XNA has developed but Silverlight has gone from running only in a Web page to being able to run as a lightweight application on the desktop (apparently) independently of a browser and, in version 4, with full trust. Microsoft talks of three screens and the cloud, TV, PC, Phone and Internet. Silverlight and .NET are the means to seamless transition between them.
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Unless you can can turn off or get behind all the eye-candy rubbish and do real things I see that I am going to hate this phone. I don't do photos on a phone, I don't watch videos or listen to music, I don't play games and I don't participate in social networking of any sort. I hate dumbed-down "finger-friendly" interfaces and I loath with a passion flashy animations that just waste time when I want to navigate somewhere. Unlike Windows Mobile this is obviously squarely aimed at the CONsumer and not the PROsumer like me. However Stebe Ballmer did say "We will continue to invest in Windows Mobile 6.5 but Windows Phone 7 is a new generation." so maybe we will end up with Phone 7 for the plebs and Phone 6.5 for business and geeks. I read somewhere that there are still about 30 new WM6.5 phones yet to be launched and we won't see a Windows 7 phone till November (if then!).
There are many scare-mongering rumours about lack of multi-tasking and not being able to load your own apps that might or might not be true - we won't know until after MIX10 and maybe not the full technical picture even then.
Like everyone else I have been Googling away to find any scrap of information that seems reliable and the believable consensus seems to be that a version of Silverlight will be the execution environment for applications. This is bad in that it will probably lock out access to the actual OS, so no more P/Invokes to the Win32 API for missing functionality. However bear in mind that Silverlight, stripped of hype, is essentially the Compact Framework running in a sandbox with WPF instead of Windows Forms for the GUI and will most likely be compilable by the C# 4.0 (and VB) compiler coming in VS2010. Silverlight 3 loosened the sandbox limitations and Silverlight 4 loosens them further so Silverlight is getting very close to being a viable replacement for the Compact Framework on which it was originally based. Microsoft is not stupid and knows it must lever its' existing developer base onto the new platform without too much pain so basing development on a version of Silverlight 4 and VS2010 would seem a good way of doing this. We will know after MIX10.
I like how Microsoft is moving from an app-centric perspective to content-centric (via "hubs") As an end user, I shouldn't have to know to run Quicken on my PC/PDA sometimes, and a web browser to access online banking other times depending on what I need to look at. Conceptually, I should be able to look at "bank account information" and what happens in the background is irrelevant. The same concept applies to social networking - I don't want to have to remember that some people maintain their current phone/address/status on LinkedIn, others on Facebook, and others don't do any of the above so I keep their info in Pocket Outlook. I want to click on a person's name and have the most recent info, no matter the source.
As a programmer, I'm not good at creating pretty UIs so I'm hoping that with this new direction I can write functionality that runs behind the scenes and either the pretty OS handles the UI for me or that there are tools so that someone more talented in visuals can use the information that my custom program provides. I'm interested to see how this is implemented in WM7.
My guess is that MS is implementing some type of message queues that the presentation layer monitors and acts upon, and that programs will still be able to be written to run on a new version of compact framework.
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