Learning Basic4ppc?

[ArchiMark]

Originally Posted by bdiscount

You've already got a load of good advice. Just read the help file get a chm reader on ppc and set it to a button so you can reference the help chm. I have nsbasic and at my age its too complex and doesn't make an exe file. good luck

Thanks for your input, bdiscount....

FWIW, I'm probably older than most everywhere here I'll bet....

I'll try to make clearer what I'm after and why....it may be that I'm the only one who learns this way and everyone else is OK with the approach described in the posts here by others...

NSBasic it has several tutorials on their website, plus a written manual that starts with illustrating the parts that make up a NSBasic program and then after that it walks you through making an example program both on the device and on the PC.

The advantage I see of that approach is that a noob like me can get quickly get an overview of what the IDE is all about and a basic understanding of how it works and what makes up a NSBasic program. For me at least, I find it very helpful to understand the overall framework that I'm working in before diving into working with it.

Seems odd to me that there's nothing similar available for starters with Basic4ppc, just reference materials on 'the parts and pieces', not 'the whole', so feels like a more fragmented approach for me, but again this could just be 'my problem'.....

Anyway, hope it's clearer now as to what I've been searching for and why....

[Cableguy]

I understand your point of view, and I can only talk about my own experience with basic4ppc....

Like a few other users wondering around this forum, I've had some basic understanding of the Beginers All purpose Symbolic Instructions Code aka BASIC, and how it worked..

Then came Quick Basic and so on, an dI tryed to stay tunned...But ended by going nowere fast as the language evolved to a more complex sintax...

With Basic4ppc you get a steep learning curve as the code is very simple to follow...

To learn B4ppc you can alway try to port "old" examples that still can be found in BASIC books in libraries...Most of them sould work with minor adjustments...

About the manual thing....Anyone up to the challange?
Maybe after the Icon Editor challenge we could have it a go...

[ArchiMark]

Originally Posted by Cableguy

I understand your point of view, and I can only talk about my own experience with basic4ppc....

Like a few other users wondering around this forum, I've had some basic understanding of the Beginers All purpose Symbolic Instructions Code aka BASIC, and how it worked..

[Snip...]

With Basic4ppc you get a steep learning curve as the code is very simple to follow...

Thanks for your understanding and perspective, Paulo...

To learn B4ppc you can alway try to port "old" examples that still can be found in BASIC books in libraries...Most of them sould work with minor adjustments...

That sounds like it would be a very constructive approach as you can learn as you go from the books...

About the manual thing....Anyone up to the challange?
Maybe after the Icon Editor challenge we could have it a go...

I have a strong feeling that this would be very helpful to many other noobs besides me as a way to feel more comfortable getting started....

Thanks!

Mark

[bdiscount]

A manual would be nice or even on that could be printed.
now you caan print parts and sew together.

[agraham]

Hi Cableguy. I am impressed with your command of English but your idiom is occasionally not correct. Please forgive me but -

With Basic4ppc you get a steep learning curve as the code is very simple to follow....

A steep learning curve actually means the opposite. i.e. that something is difficult to learn, as in it is hard to climb a steep slope - which as you point out B4PPC is not.

[Stellaferox]

Originally Posted by agraham

Hi Cableguy. I am impressed with your command of English but your idiom is occasionally not correct. Please forgive me but -

A steep learning curve actually means the opposite. i.e. that something is difficult to learn, as in it is hard to climb a steep slope - which as you point out B4PPC is not.

This is, in fact, not true!

See the following.....

The learning curve refers to a relationship between the duration of learning or experience and the resulting progress. Initially introduced in the cognitive psychology, over time the term acquired a broader interpretation, and the expressions "experience curve", "improvement curve", "cost improvement curve", "progress curve"/"progress function", "startup curve", "efficiency curve" etc., may be used interchangeably, depending on the context. Some of these terms may also have other meanings.

In the immediate context of learning, the expression "steep learning curve" is seen to be used in two opposite meanings. Originally it referred to the quick progress in learning during the initial stages followed by gradually lesser improvements with further practice.[1] The progress may be measured in different ways, e.g., prediction/recognition accuracy vs. the number of training samples[2]. Over time, the misapprehension has emerged that a "steep" learning curve means that something requires much effort to learn, leading to disagreements even among learned people[3], because of the natural association of the word "steep" with a slope which is difficult to climb.

Another specific context of the term "learning curve" is acquiring a new skill, e.g., an experience in usage of a new tool. In this context, expressions "fast learning curve" or "short learning curve", as well as "steep learning curve", are also in use. [citation needed] This context may involve a different interpretation of fast initial progress vs time, namely referring to the overall amount of progress required to be achieved at each stage of an activity. In this sense the term "steep learning curve" represents the need to make significant progress during the initial stages, so that a person may start using the tool with reasonable efficiency. This need is often associated with increased efforts in learning. Conversely, the expressions gradual or flat learning curve convey the meaning that the acquisition of a skill may be gradual, so that, e.g., a reasonable use of the tool possible at early stages of learning with relatively small amount of new information acquired. Thus in this context it could be said that the learning curve referred to represents the learning effort/progress required vs competency/efficiency in using a new skill or tool.[citation needed]

Marc

[agraham]

Originally Posted by Stellaferox

Over time, the misapprehension has emerged that a "steep" learning curve means that something requires much effort to learn, leading to disagreements even among learned people[3], because of the natural association of the word "steep" with a slope which is difficult to climb

I choose to disagree

[Stellaferox]

Let's say I am a bit conservative
on topic again.....

[Cableguy]

If I knew that a simple word could cause such a discussion (in a good way)....


By steep I ment that we can learn alot in very few time with not that much of effort....

[ArchiMark]

Originally Posted by Cableguy

If I knew that a simple word could cause such a discussion (in a good way)....


By steep I ment that we can learn alot in very few time with not that much of effort....

Hey Cableguy, I knew what you meant!......